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How to Study & Learn Using Active Recall | Dr. Cal Newport & Dr. Andrew Huberman

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Dr. Cal Newport and Dr. Andrew Huberman discuss the concept of active recall and its role in effective learning. Cal Newport, Ph.D. (@CalNewportMedia) is a professor of computer science at Georgetown University and bestselling author of numerous books on focus and productivity and how to access the deepest possible layers of your cognitive abilities in order to do quality work and lead a more balanced life. Dr. Andrew Huberman is a tenured professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford University School of Medicine and host of the Huberman Lab podcast. Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/p4ZfkezDTXQ Show notes: https://www.hubermanlab.com/episode/dr-cal-newport-how-to-enhance-focus-and-improve-productivity Social & Website Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hubermanlab Threads: https://www.threads.net/@hubermanlab X: https://twitter.com/hubermanlab Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hubermanlab TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@hubermanlab LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-huberman Website: https://www.hubermanlab.com Newsletter: https://www.hubermanlab.com/newsletter Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3thCToZ Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PYzuFs Timestamps 00:00 Introduction to Learning Techniques 01:27 Discovering the Power of Active Recall 02:47 The Journey to Academic Excellence 05:02 Mastering Material with Active Recall 05:57 Applying Active Recall in Neuroanatomy 06:37 Closing Remarks and Invitation to Watch Full Episode #HubermanLab #CalNewport #Studying The Huberman Lab podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing or other professional health care services, including the giving of medical advice, and no doctor/patient relationship is formed. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast is at the user’s own risk. The content of this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their health care professionals for any such conditions.
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Tell me what you think of this, what I always call, protocol, if I want to learn something from a manuscript Iread or a book chapter, I used to highlight things.

And I had a very elaborate, extracted from my university days, system of stars andexclamation marks and underline that mean a lot to me, that, yes, bring meback to a given segment within the chapter.

But a few years ago, I was teaching a course in the biology department at Stanford, and for some reason, we had them read a studyabout information retention.

And I learned from that study that one of the best things we can do is read information, in whatever form, a magazine, researcharticle, et cetera, a book, and then to take some timeaway from that material, maybe walk, maybe close one's eyes, maybe leave them open, doesn't matter, and just try and rememberspecific elements.

How much does one remember? Then go back to thematerial and look at it.

And I've just been positively astonished at how much more information I can learn when I'm not simply goingthrough motor commands of just underlining thingsand highlighting them, but stepping away and thinking, "Okay, yeah, oh, I don't remember how many subjects there were.

I'll go back and check that, maybe make a note.

And okay, they did this, then they did that, and then," and then it's crystallized.

And as I say this, I realize, of course this should work, [laughing] this is theway that the brain learns.

But somehow, that's not the way we are taught to learn.

Yeah, well, I'm smilingbecause when I was 22, I wrote this book called "How to Become aStraight-A Student," right? And the whole premise of the book was, "I'm going to talk toactual college students who have straight A's and who don't seemcompletely ground out, right? Like, not burnt out.

And I'm just going tointerview 'em, right?" And the protocol was, "How did you study for thelast test that you studied for? How did you take notes for the last?" So I was just asking them to walk through their methodology.

The core idea of that book was active recall.

That was the core idea, that replicating ideas,what I used to say is, "Replicating the information from scratch as if teaching a class withoutlooking at your notes.

" That is the only way to learn.

And the thing about it was, it's a trade off.

it's efficient, doesn't take much time, but it's incrediblymentally taxing, right? This is why students often avoid it.

It is difficult to sit there and try to replicate and pull forth, "Okay, what did I read here? How did that work?" It's mentally very taxing, but it's very time efficient, right? If you're willing toessentially put up with that, with that pain, you learn very quickly.

And not only do you learn very quickly, you don't forget.

It's almost like you have apseudo-photographic memory when you study this way.

You sit down to do a test and you're replicatingwhole lines [laughing] from what you studied, the ideas sort of come out fully formed because it's such a fantasticway to actually learn.

It was my key, the whole premise that got me writing that book is I went through this period as a college student where I came in freshman year, was a fine student, not a great student, but a fine student.

I was rowing crew and I wassort of excited to do that.

And then I developed a heart condition, and had to stop.

Congenital wiring in the heart, atrial flutter thing.

It meant I couldn't row crew anymore.

So a prolapse of some sort? It was a circuitry issue that would lead to aextremely rapid heartbeat.

It's like really rapid, like tachycardia, right? You get 200-250 beats a minute just, and it could be exercise induced, right? Which is not optimal, you could take beta blockers, which would moderatethe electrical timing, but beta blockers reduceyour max heart rate.

And if you're a athlete where the entire thing that matters is your max heart rate, so you're doing somethinglike a 2,000-meter rows, your performance on betablockers just goes down.

It makes no sense, it's likebeing a basketball player that wears weighted shoes, it's too frustrating.

Right, and it also makes you super mellow.

I was a pretty mellow guy.

[both laughing] But I was a worst rower.

So I stopped that, and I was like, "Okay, I want to getserious about my studies.

" I said, "I can getserious about my studies and writing," right? That's when I actually made the decisions that I then stuck with forthe next 25 years after that.

But one of the things I did toget serious about my studies is I said, "I'm going tosystematically experiment with how to study for tests and how to write papers.

" And I would try this, "How did it go?" deconstruct experiment.

Try this, "How'd it go?" deconstruct experiment.

And active recall was the thing that turned me all around.

And so I went from a pretty good student to 4.

0 every single quarter, Sophomore year, junior year, senior year.

I got one A minus [laughing] between my sophomoreyear through my senior year.

It was like thismiraculous transformation.

It was active recall.

I rebuilt all of my studying, so if it was for a humanities class, I had a whole way of taking notes that was all built arounddoing active recall.

For math classes, my main study tool wasa stack of white paper.

"All right, do this proof," white piece of paper, and just, "Can I do it from scratch?" If I could, I know that technique.

If I don't, "All right,I'm going to come back and try it again later.

"` Completely transformed.

I did so well academically, that's why I ended up writing that book that basically spread thatmessage to other people.

So I'm a huge advocate for active recall.

It's really hard, but it is the way to learn new things.

And as you pointed out, it is very time efficient.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, it was a problem, it was a social problem for me that I would have to pretend [laughing] during finals period that I was going to the library to study because I would be done studying.

This active recall, it's brutal, but it's incredibly efficient.

You sit down there, I would have my cards and I would mark it, "Okay, I struggled with this," I'd put it in this pile, "I got it done," I'd put it in this pile.

And so then you would just go back to the, "I struggled with it," pile, and work on that.

And then make a new, "Istruggled with it," pile.

And these would exponentially decay.

And so in a few hours,you could really master, with a few other tricks that worked, you could really master thematerial pretty quickly.

And then, what am I supposed to do? I didn't do all-nighters.

It wouldn't make any sense.

Active recall is how you prepare, and it's going to take four hours and it's going to be tough, so do it in the morningwhen you have energy, and then you're done.

I love it.

I learned essentially all of neuroanatomy looking down the microscopeat tissue samples.

And then I would try and takephotographs with my eyes, I do not have a photographic memory.

But then I would get home in the evening, look through the neuroanatomy textbook, lie down, and try and fly through thedifferent circuits in my mind.

And then if I arrived ata structure in the brain that I couldn't identify, I would then go check my notes and go back.

Ah, that's perfect.

So basically, I learned neuroanatomy, which I'm poor at a greatmany things in life, but neuroanatomy, I'm solid at, and then some, if I may say so.

And it's because there's a mental map, and you can kind of move through it, fly through it dynamically.

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