so uh I mean obviously the Apple II was a was a terrific success yeah just incredibly so and the company grew like Topsy and eventually went public and you guys got really rich what's it like to get rich it's very interesting I was worth um about over a million dollars when I was 23 and over 10 million dollars when I was 24 and over 100 million dollars when I was 25.

 um and it's it wasn't that important because I never did it for the money uh I I think money is wonderful thing because it enables you to do things it enables you to invest in ideas that don't have a short-term payback and things like that but especially at that point in my life it was it was not the most important thing the most important thing was the company the people the products we were making what we were going to enable people to do with these products so I didn't think about it a great deal you know I never sold any stock and just really believe that the company would would do very well over the long term